just one question...

[las6]

I mean... this is kinda stupid thing but...

I found it nice to see that she had included God to the thank u list... but then again, we have these pentagrams all over the place... kinda disturbing.. :P

Not that this would stop me from listening to her music...
I was just wondering what/who does she believe in...

[sSwiNg]

I'm pretty sure she believes in God.. because of Temple of Life, Haleluja!!
And for two, she thanks god
And for three.. the first song she wrote was a religious song :) (Read it somewhere, she was three or smth)

She believes in God!! But I don't know about those pentagrams, are they really pentagrams, are they not like.. uhm symbols?? I don't know :D

[las6]

yeah... they are probably just pentagram shaped stars... ;)

didn't mean to be over-religious but you know, red pentagram shaped stars on a black background... hmm... it just makes me wonder.

but she said too that black and red were the her favorite colors or sumthing...

[BlueStar]

I've been interesting in that question myself, so I did a little research a while ago and I found this Avril quote:

"A lot of people think I'm Christian because I sang in churches and I thank God on my album. The truth is, I don't really consider myself to be part of any organized religion. To me, God is like everything around us, the trees and water and nature and the sun and just everything. I guess it's hard to explain, but I just don't see God as this guy in the sky, or whatever, I just don't see him like everyone thinks I would, if that makes any sense."

kinda confusing actually



Last edited by BlueStar at Oct 7 2002, 10:50 AM

[Lamer Than Lame]

Oh, I totally get what she's talking about because that's what I think, too. She probably doesn't believe that God was this guy who created everything ... she thinks that God is a feeling, a presence, and not necessarily a Big Guy In The Sky.

[angel_arf]

I dont know if avrils religious or not 4 sure, but just 4 u guys to know those arent pentagrams there just stars, pentagrams are those stars but with a circles around them. so those are just plain stars.
P.S. AvRiL rUlEs , she my role model
and this has nothing to do wit avril but Dereck Whimbley of sum 41 used to go to my school (lord durham) thats iv gayjax (ajax).

[Mr. Vandalay]

or maybe her parents brought her up going to church and stuff but that's all too much hassle for ur modern day teen so she's jus decided to take it easy on that front and not stress about it too much. ie she wants to believe theres a god without the hassle organised religion comes with.

[angel_arf]

youve got a point, but the point of this convo was why she was puting pentograms on thing but they arent pentagrams there just stars

[lilcrazy]

i think everyone is ordinary but not us

lol

[Mr. Vandalay]

ordinary? wat's that? sounds like a make belive thing to me. yeh they're jus stars, not pentagrams, pentagram stars are alot more symetrical anyway.

[narrator]

She thanks god on her CD so I think that settles that

[jonah hardcore]

the actual name for a star is a pentegram.. the satanic star is called a penticle... and it has a cirle around it... plus they are just sloppy stars nothing hidden...

also i dont believe in organized religion... i saw a patch one time that said "religion kills, jesus saves" and thats what i believe... and if you believe in jesus he always preached about God being everywhere.. at all times... and all you need is the will to tlak to him not a religion or church.

[punkLECH]

And to defend all of my pagan and wiccan friends, the pentagram is not a symbol of the devil, before someone posts that in ignorance. It's merely a symbol of power, often used as a focus for energies--not a tool of the devil.

[jonah hardcore]

^^ isnt the satanic one upside down or something

[narrator]

I worship the mighty ALL
I believe and can acheive ALL

[Omnipharios]

Hello, iam kind of new but I understand what Avril means, by saying God (or Goddess) is aroundus in Nature. God is the name Christians give to someone they belive to be allmighty. I think that in order to understand what she means you should study other religions. I advise you guys to read Paulo Coelho if you really want to understand it. Most people are Cristians because that is what parents and society in general "preach" about:) But as a matter of fact you can be something and belive in something taht you truly belive. About the star, or pentagram, it is a symbol of peace, all that is good and can be used on ancient magical rituals. There is nothing wrong about it. If you want to learn more I will be happy to talk about other religions and belifs if you mail me to : Omnipharos@mail.pt I would discuss it here but some of what I say to you is to personal to be and some might laugh about it. But if you want to ask on this forum I will gladly answer:)
There is nothing wrong on beliving in magic, "soul-mates" or any other things that Mankind refused to belive becaused it was to hard to reach.
Well I already wrote to much. I´ll be waiting for the curious ones:)
P.S. Mr Vandalay a true pentagram as nothing with being symetrical or being a master piece! It has to be with how and what you do it for. I don´t belive that ancient Mages would be carring rulers and compasses around in order to perfom rituals:) Keep it real and belive that Magic is real and magical thins will happen to you.

[Unplanned_Childhood]

Religion killed my father....... and raped my mother

[Mr. Vandalay]

Originally posted by Omnipharios@Oct 14 2002, 03:11 PM
P.S. Mr Vandalay a true pentagram as nothing with being symetrical or being a master piece! It has to be with how and what you do it for. I don´t belive that ancient Mages would be carring rulers and compasses around in order to perfom rituals:) Keep it real and belive that Magic is real and magical thins will happen to you.
either way i was merely pointing out the differences, and i'd bet my left nipple that avril wasn't performing magic when she drew it to zombify everyone into buying her album and thinking she's great. altho if she did, how woud we tell...hmm. well only magic i believe in is that of davids blaine and copperfield. they don't need no smelly pentograms thats for sure :P



Last edited by Mr Vandalay at Oct 15 2002, 06:57 AM

[narrator]

Originally posted by Unplanned_Childhood@Oct 15 2002, 01:27 AM
Religion killed my father....... and raped my mother
Hey that same thing happened to me but it was cigarettes

[Saatana]

Originally posted by my name is jonah@Oct 12 2002, 11:48 PM
^^ isnt the satanic one upside down or something
Yes it's upside down.

But what about that she's doing \,,/ in many many pics.
Maybe she just doesnt now its satanic "signal" :D
I dont know...thought now after Avril using it it's like a trend and it seems like EVERYONE in the world uses \,,/ at gigs and everywhere its very amusing... :mad:





Last edited by Saatana at Oct 16 2002, 04:10 PM

[narrator]

Its not satanic the way she does it...I thought you were a satanist man...that is pretty funny

[Idont]

And what if she's satanist. Thats nobodys bet hers business.
Im not saying she is, but whatever

[narrator]

If you took a random sample of a number of humans on earth 80% of them would be complete idiots

[Idont]

Of course, in here are some

[narrator]

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

[Idont]

sure, why not

[MarieLove]

hey Idont plz tell me who are those guys in your sig !

[narrator]

The truth is you could slit my throat, and with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt

[Mr. Vandalay]

Originally posted by Self-Titled@Oct 16 2002, 08:17 PM
If you took a random sample of a number of humans on earth 80% of them would be complete idiots
i think u'll find that everyone on earth is an idiot, some are just less idiotic than others.

[Omnipharios]

Hmmm......Well religion as I see is something personal and should be respected by everybody either they belive it or not. I don´t belive in Satan or Hell, or any thing like that. If you think about Good ang Evil are a bit of subjective. What is Good for can be Evil for you. I think I´m one of the last Dreamers. LOL
I really don´t think Avril ia satanic. Just hear "I´m with you". It is so right. You gotta to belive in what you sing. You might think that it is an ordinary song, but it is more than it apears. At least iI think so. Concernig the \,,/ can be compared to the banal use given to the suastic cross. Most people don´t even know the meaning of it execpt that it was used the the huger JACKASS in the world. Belive me when I say that ther is nothin Evil about it. Men Hitler was a JACKASS but he knew how to choose a symbol.

NO I´M NOT A NAZI!!!! I JUST LIKE TO LEARN HISTORY AND ALL THE FACTS.

[Sypher]

The swastica just means good luck but it means more now because of who was wearing it

[Omnipharios]

Good to see that someone does their history homework...LOL:)
Anyway I think that religion is a personal issue and we should respect each other belifs, even if we don´t agree with them. "In order to understand an oposite thing we should respesct it before start a fihgt." I mean we can´t "fight and win a war" if we don´t respect our "enemies".
What makes the diference between us and the animals is that we can think before atack. We can measure the consequences of our acts. (except Bush I guess. How can a lunatic be in the power of the most powerfull natin in the World???)
Peace out and Rock the World with your dreams!!!

[Omnipharios]

Hello me again! By any small chance any "Wiccan" beliver around? Just cheking.

[Idont]

This sign \,,/ is not satanic, its heavy metal. I dont now why she does this sign

[narrator]

maybe she likes heavy metal...I like some

[Idont]

no she dont. she likes all that "real pop" thing (morrisette and etc)

[narrator]

System of a down's kinda like metal and she likes dillinger four, punk, so you never know



Last edited by Self-Titled at Oct 19 2002, 07:25 PM

[jonah hardcore]

i know everything like john doe


is jonah hot - yes
is s/t close behind - no
is avril a world rocking woman - yes
do i wear womans underwear - yes

[MarieLove]

Originally posted by my name is jonah@Oct 20 2002, 09:37 PM

do i wear womans underwear - yes
MOUAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA ! seriously ????

[narrator]

Originally posted by my name is jonah@Oct 20 2002, 10:37 PM
is jonah hot - yes
is s/t close behind - no

hey...just because of that one time I dressed up like avril your saying I'm not close....I was an okay looking woman...don't hold that against me

[something]

Originally posted by lilcrazy@Oct 6 2002, 05:42 PM
i think everyone is ordinary but not us

lol
That's not ignorant or narrow minded at ALL.

Yes you guys are all 'anything but ordinary'

I mean.. Dickies, Chucks and a tie? That's NEVER been done before aye..

*shakes head and wanders off*

[narrator]

Yeah because we all said thats what we wear....and I'm sure that if I wore that tomorrow that would change my entire outlook on the world....I mean cmon, would it make a difference about how you thought about yourself....what I'm wondering is how far that stick up your ass has gone because you look a little pale

[paul]

[COLOR=purple][SIZE=1][FONT=Courier][B][I] :yes:

hi had to reply the pentagram doesnt resemble anything (devil like)dont worry m8...lol,its just a play on the letter A which can be drawn into a pentagram, and anyhowz each to their own shes great and can do what she wants :D from paul w (26) in (uk)

[narrator]

hey hi youre cool.....be my friend....please....

[Lennie]

GOD RULZ **no offence 2 non-god believers** that's kool **avril is soooo kyoote as a lil girl dontcha think!? :lol:


SHYPER KOOL AND KYOOTE VIVI!!!!!!!! FINAL FANTASY RULZ! IM CURRENTLY PLAYIN FF7 i skipped it i went 8,9,10,and 7 lol

[narrator]

Well thank you I'll tell Sypher what you think...

[Lennie]

i Wub the idea of da star on her Cd cover and stuff.... It looks wicked Kool on the Sk8ta boi..... :lol: Im Madly in luv With eminem!!! (just felt like sharin dat)

[AvrilElite]

who cares what avril believes. shes hot so who cares

[JasoN]

i think shes got a little goth in her :D

[AvrilElite]

nah

[STARRY EYED SURPRISE]

avril believes in god and she is penecostal, found this in an article: :yes:

Reverend Cal Anthony had no idea Avril Lavigne was going to be a star but it doesn’t surprise him.
“I thought that she had a beautiful voice,” he says over the phone from his Cobourg Ontario office. “I thought that she appeared to be very very comfortable in front of an audience. She certainly didn’t appear to have any stage fright whatsoever. It was evident that she was a very talented young girl.”
Rev. Anthony — call him Cal — spent nine years ministering at Napanee Ontario’s Evangel Temple, the Pentecostal church the Lavigne family attended. :yes:

[AvrilElite]

goods

[Danzig]

this prolly has been posted but i didnt want to go threw all this shit and see if it was to UNHING some stuff that was said here is some FACTS

the penticle is a wiccan symbol which is a star in a circle to symbolize the 5 elements because the wiccan religion is really a worship of earth ( those whacky wiccans )

the petagram which is a upside down star in a circle is a symbol for baal which was a god during the time of the babolonians ( speleed that wrong i think ) which later became knowns as asmodeus the demon of lust

<--- this thing over here which is in my avatar is a symbol for astaroth who is a demon which came from astarte the godiss of love here is a pic http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/images/demons/astaroth.gif

i hope this clears a few things up i will repost if anything else i forgot to add comes up
this is all from a few sources ive read up on

a: the bible
b: demonology websites
c: my friends who are wiccan
d: satan

oh and i think avril prolly follows god because of her parents but doesnt REALLY give it much though......

[Danzig]

here is more on astaroth

Astaroth appears as an ugly angel riding a dragon and holding a viper in his left hand. It is thought that this powerful grand-duke presides over 40 legions, and possibly over the East and is treasurer of hell. The Sidonians and Phlistines worshipped him in the past. Wierus mentions that he knows of past and future events, secret things, liberal arts, and the story of creation and the fall of the angels. He also believes he received an unjust punishment. Some magicians say he procures the goodwill of great lords and can be summoned on Wednesday. He is said to emit a powerful fetid odor, and to endure that, the magician should hold a silver magical ring that prevents odors under his nose.

Astaroth is cited as one of the seven princes of hell who visited Faust, appearing as a serpent with a colored tail, two small feet, a chestnut neck, and spines similar to a hedgehog that can grow up to a finger's length. As his feminine counterpart, Astarte, he is portrayed with a heifer's head.


my favorite demon

[AvrilElite]

avril is plunt

[AvrilElite]

avril is plunt

[Pinky]

Originally posted by Omnipharios@Oct 19 2002, 04:27 PM
Hello me again! By any small chance any "Wiccan" beliver around? Just cheking.
*points at self* me. :yes:

[AvrilElite]

u?

[Mr. Vandalay]

too much buffy for u...
astaroth wrote that kick ass book in bedknobs and broomsticks that makes ur shoes come to life and kick u in the ass. and he had a magical star on a necklace that angela landsburys teacher stole from a cartoon lion. yup.

[Pinky]

I'm not talking about Buffy, I'm talking real-life.. :rolleyes:

[Mr. Vandalay]

exactly... :erm:

[Pinky]

um.. is anyone else lost here? :P

[Mr. Vandalay]

nah i'm never lost again after i got a audio guide from Map-To-The-Stars Eddie

[Pinky]

damnit i need me one of those... *steals yours*

*going home* :D

[Mr. Vandalay]

aww nuts...
not again.

[Pinky]

*mails back to you once i get home* :D

i'm such a good pweson .. lol ;)

[Mr. Vandalay]

yay! now if only i cud find my way home....

[Pinky]

follow the smell...

...i'll let you figure that one out :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Mr. Vandalay]

oh right that's wat that was, and i thought there was a fish market in my neighborhood. well we all have our own lil places we like to hide stuff, tho i usually use locker #56 at the train station.

[Pinky]

haha, thanks for sharing :P

[Mr. Vandalay]

today i learnt the effects of dysentery. not personally thank god, but still. it's pretty harsh. a lesson to us all that storing things up our ass may be fun and handy but it can come with consequences, especially if u leave something up there for 5 years....

[Pinky]

ˆˆ*...i'm not even gonna ask :huh:

[Mr. Vandalay]

:eep: yeh i wish i didn't know but i do, it's too late for me, save urself!

[Pinky]

i will save you! *grabs you, runs away with you* bwahahah *cough* :P

[AvrilElite]

gn

[Idont]

Originally posted by Mr Vandalay@Dec 4 2002, 11:38 AM
today i learnt the effects of dysentery. not personally thank god, but still. it's pretty harsh. a lesson to us all that storing things up our ass may be fun and handy but it can come with consequences, especially if u leave something up there for 5 years....
http://poetry.rotten.com/potatoes-n-jelly/potatoes-n-jelly-1.jpg

[Danzig]

Originally posted by Mr Vandalay@Dec 4 2002, 08:13 AM
too much buffy for u...
astaroth wrote that kick ass book in bedknobs and broomsticks that makes ur shoes come to life and kick u in the ass. and he had a magical star on a necklace that angela landsburys teacher stole from a cartoon lion. yup.
yeah they got the idea from astaroth the demon that movie has alot of satanic undertones

[Dryve Thru Romance]

Originally posted by BlueStar@Oct 6 2002, 11:46 AM
I've been interesting in that question myself, so I did a little research a while ago and I found this Avril quote:

"A lot of people think I'm Christian because I sang in churches and I thank God on my album. The truth is, I don't really consider myself to be part of any organized religion. To me, God is like everything around us, the trees and water and nature and the sun and just everything. I guess it's hard to explain, but I just don't see God as this guy in the sky, or whatever, I just don't see him like everyone thinks I would, if that makes any sense."

kinda confusing actually
I understand what she's saying but it's hard to put into words. but i understand b/c that's what i think. Not really this "guy upstairs" just everything around you.

[AvrilElite]

wouldnt be dead