stop seal killings

[anti-yankis]

http://www.care2.com/go/z/22821 (http://www.care2.com/go/z/22821)

*The earth does not belong to us, we belong to the earth*

peace

[Nightwind Hawk]

Fuck hunters. Unless you're shooting for survival, it's just wrong.

[anti-yankis]

they suck so much, people think only about money...poor animals :(

i don´t know why people think that we are better than the rest of the animals.. we were supposed to be more intelligent, but i doubt a lot about some people´s intelligence... violence makes me doubt about that intelligence for example...we are just another element of the nature!! we should treat animals like if they were like us... :(

[Mr.LD]

I dont understand why they do that.
Animals have the same wish to live, they deserved to be preserved and respected.

[Death in a Bottle]

Wow... When I first saw this thread title, I thought for sure it had to be a joke thread of Paul's. I didn't think we had enough hippies on here to get a Stop Seal Killings thread. But if you insist...

Here's my take on hunting: Get the fuck over it, you hippie pussies. Now, it's hard to say a lot on this particular topic because all I know of it is that one biased and one-sided page that was linked in this thread. So I don't know whether it's good or bad in this instance. But as a whole... There is nothing wrong with hunting. In fact, most the hunters I know have a greater respect for nature and wildlife than any of the whiny assholes back in the city picketing against them. And regarding endangered species, that's bullshit. OVer 90% of every species that's lived on this planet is exctinct. That's what happens... They grow and they die. If it's our fault they died... Well, we're part of nature too, so they're still being killed off by nature. Trying to save species is arrogant and it's futile, so get off it. Let's learn to save our own people first, then we can worry about the seals.

[Mr.LD]

................,I dont understand you.

[~Johno~]

Right... so I'm guessing your a vegan, and dont use deodorant, damn those green house gases and whats that, your using technology... evill... evilllll.

Anyway before you carry on with your save the earth bandwagon you might want to take in to consideration the millions of cattle slaughtered each year, or maybe the makeup you have which was tested on an animal, but hey its not like any of these are in it for the money.

Oh yeah, thats what I was going to say... population control, you see if 100,000s turn into 1,000,000s... well it gets abit crowded, then its survival of the fittest, so hey either way they are gonna die.

[Lamer Than Lame]

When it comes to the killing of animals, I don't like it ONLY because I, myself, could not kill one. My philosophy is I can only eat what I can kill--so I eat beef and chicken (sometimes fish).

See, with seals, they aren't just killed and then left there. In Inuit culture, they used the whole thing--they braided the intestines and left them out to dry, they used the seal pelts for clothing, and the blubber for their lamps. While I hate to see images of hunters about to club a cute and fluffy baby seal to death, they are no different than fishermen who reef in nets of terrified and confused fish.

Save the seals? Hell, save the fish--that industry has been dying up here in Canada. Better yet, save the locusts. They're being sprayed to death with pesticides in China and all they want is a bite of vegetation. I think when it comes to 'saving the planet' and all the animals within that it's a little too late. There are billions of people in this planet and we need to eat and have shelter, the basics to living. Quite frankly, I'd rather see an animal die free than one living in a cage and being pumped with steroids.

[PunkyMalone]

I love how the main page of that site emphasizes that most of the seals will be under 3 months old, as if it would be okay to kill older seals. I bet if they weren't so damn fluffy and cute nobody would give a shit. Hunt all the alligators and adult male deer you want, but go after the adorable baby seals with their big brown eyes so that you can MAKE A LIVING and SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY (because people seem to overlook the fact that in northern parts of Canada... there's not really much else to do to make a living) and you're a MONSTER.

Hunting is a natural part of life for every omnivorous and carnivorous animal on the planet - we just do it with guns, because really... we're not naturally physically equipped to chase and catch prey that are much faster than us - we just have larger brains, which we've used to create other devices by which to catch prey.

[Death in a Bottle]

I like how the post starts with like three or four people showing their support with little one line posts saying "save the whales!" and shit... And then the smart people come, with large, detailed posts saying the original was stupid. I feel proud that I was the one who led the latter of those groups.

[Lamer Than Lame]

All hail Taylor, the Leader of the Smarty Pants.

...and I still stand by my Save the Locusts comment. Yeah.

[anti-yankis]

I am not a hippie, hippies existed in the 6o´s... only hippies care about the envioroment??:blink: i thought people who are aware of the importance of the nature were just like another person, not hippies, anyway, if u wanna say i am hippie , i don´t mind... actually if i had been a teen on the 60´s i would have been a hippie.

Let's learn to save our own people first, then we can worry about the seals.

humans beings can´t survive out of the earth.. i mean, if we destruct our envioroment we are destructing ourselves... maybe we can live for 100 hundrends years more but if nature dissapear we will dissapear too. I know that animals kill other animals to eat , to survive, i am not against people eating meat, i am just saying that killing an animal just because you want its skin or something is cruel..

and i don´t say "save the seals" just because they are cute, i say that because people are hunting seals, not cats, if they were killing cats i would say "save the cats"...

I know it´s too late to repair some mistakes but we can avoid others if people is concious of what nature means for humans beings...

I am saying this because maybe some people think over about this and decide to act... that´s all

[~Johno~]

Right so what about the 29,000 children who will die today, and the 29,000 children who will die tommorow? You see we need to get these things called priorities right, fuck the 300,000 seals that will be killed in just one day, its time the world woke up to the 29,000 children dieing, thats a total of 812,000 a month or 9,744,000 year.

So wow, while you and your type are fighting for the 1,000,000 seals to be killed in 3 years, you'll just let the 29,232,000 children in 3 years go a miss.

And anyway, did you read the reason why they are slaughtered...?

Oh yeah, thats what I was going to say... population control, you see if 100,000s turn into 1,000,000s... well it gets abit crowded, then its survival of the fittest, so hey either way they are gonna die.

[anti-yankis]

yes, still i don´t think those reasoms justify that they kill seals..
and just because i am saying that i am against those hunters i am not saying that animals are more important than people, or than tholse children.. u don´t know what i do, u don´t know if i do something to help those children, so it is quite stupid to say that... u can fight against people killing animals and fight against famine or any kind of violence... and i know they are gonna die, and u are goinna die too, but that u are going to die doesn´t justify that a person kills u... if he/ she kills u...it´s not sooo wrong, is it?? u are going to die anyway.. u know what i mean?? i prefer them to die because of natural reasons than because a stupid human think they are not important at all


oh taylor! i forgot to tell u that u are the stupiest person in this forum since you think everybody who doesn´t share your opinion is stupid and those who share your point of view are smart... people who know that they are not always right and who think there are more than just 1 good point of view are the ones who really know something... ( i am not judging u because of THIS thread, i have read a lot of your posts.. and i don´t usually judge people, but i think u need to open your eyes... and please, don´t waste your time insulting me cause i know that you don´t know anything about me and i have not posted so many times that u can judge me... and anyway, i only care about what intelligent people think about me... )

[PunkyMalone]

I don't think Taylor was saying people who share his point of view in this thread are smart simply because they share his point of view. Did you ever think that maybe it's because we actually took the time to make POINTS and EXPLAIN why we had this point of view?

Also, if you're so against the seal hunt and you want it stopped... then how about you come up with a few thousand extra jobs so the seal hunters have another way of making money and supporting their families. And if you can't do that, stay out of my country's business, culture and economy. :)

[Snagg3r]

When baby seals are more intelligent than humans, then by all means they can kill us and I wouldn't have anything against them.

[Mr.LD]

Its true that a lot of people are dying these days but trying to save baby seals it shows our support to our world, not only the seals also all the life beings in danger in this world, including humans.

[PunkyMalone]

Actually saving baby seals really doesn't have any effect on Bengal tigers or starving children in Africa, it just shows we like cute fluffy things, so... what?

[anti-yankis]

I know that saving seals is not saving bengal tigers, but i guess we have to go step by step... i guess u don´t want me to writte here 1000 links to protest against all the cruel things humans are doing nowadays to the nature and to other human beings... and u are wrong of u think that saving the nature in general doesn´t help humans, cause human beings and nature come together... or can u imagine human life without nature???without animals, without rivers, etc... When i say save seals is just an example of animal which is being hunting without any survival propose... of course i could search another link to save Bengal tigers, but actually i think u don´t care at all about bengal tigers either.

and i am not trying to insult canada economy or sth, u didn´t understand me , i guess.. i am just giving my point of view on the subject which is not only "save the seals"... it´s more like "take care of the nature" ... and seals are a part of the nature.. aren´t they?. and ... i thought in canada not everybody lived hunting seals... if they do, the information i know about canada is totally wrong... i guess people there survive working at supermarkets, in offices, and so on aswell... people can search another way to earn money, they don´t need to kill seals to survive...it´s more, if they want the human race to survive they shouldn´t do that

and about taylor, i read what he says, and like i said before i didn´t say that only because of this thread but also because i have read more posts of him, and u can re-read them if u want, but usually he thinks he is always right, like if he was God, and i think he is wrong (if u think in god as a perfect omnipotent figure or something like that; if he was hinduist he could believe he is god, but i guess he is not hinduist, and even if he was an hinduist and thought he is god he wouldn´t believe he is always right). and i am not saying this because i want to insult him, i am just giving my point of view.. i think the person who thinks he/she is always right and the others are wrong is the person who knows less about everything.. sometimes it´s like if he was trying to impose his ideas, so it is impossible to have a conversation with him...

and snagg3r, i think what u said is the stupiest thing i have read today... and elephant, a tiger, etc can kill humans and those animal are still less inteligent than humans beings...

[~Johno~]

Will you please listen this time...?

REGARDLESS OF WHATS RIGHT AND WRONG THEY ARE KILLED BECAUSE THERE IS TOO MANY OF THEM! IF NO ONE KILLED THEM THEY WOULD GET OVER POPULATED, THEN THE OLDER SEALS WOULD EAT THE BABY SEALS AND THEN EVENTUALLY THEY WOULD BE NONE LEFT!

OK??

[anti-yankis]

i think there are too many of humans... why can´t people kill people then?

i think changing nature always have negative consequences... if they have to die because of their over-population, they will, as we will die too. I mean, we can´t change some things of the nature, we can´t avoid some disasters, but we should not infuence so much on the nature...

[~Johno~]

Well if it makes you happy 29,000 children died today!

oh, yeah, generally people dont eat people when they have food, but hey I'm sure you've heard of storys when people do start to eat people when there is none.

[anti-yankis]

of course people dying doesn´t make me happy, don´t insult me. i don´t know why some people think that trying to save the envioroment is against humans.. like if i when i speak about the nature i forget about humans.. humans CAN´T live if we destroy the envioroment, so at the same time u are worried about the envioroment u are worried about humans. If u think that huiman race will survive when the nature is completly destroyed, u are wrong. if u care about human race and about humans beings u have to care about envioroment...

oh! and what u say about people eating people when they have nothing to eat is a survival instint ... i don´t think that´s wrong

[~Johno~]

Wait a min, I thought we were talking about seal killing, not the enviroment in general.

But anyway these people are saving the enviroment, without these people these seals would not exist, because what I said above would happen.

So from what I gather you are against any type of interference with nature, like Wildlife Sanctuarys, Animal Hospitals and what not. Basically without human intervention there would be so many different type of animals extinct by now. But hey, if you feel everything should be left to its natural goings on then thats fine, but it wont be long before we see lots of animals become extinct.

oh! and what u say about people eating people when they have nothing to eat is a survival instint ... i don´t think that´s wrong
Wow, so you do understand what would happen if there was too many seals and not enough food.

[anti-yankis]

don´t u know that each day lots of animals become extinct?? cause they do. Maybe humans have done something good to animal , but in comparison with all the demages humans have caused, they have done nothing good at all...

i think that if humans were concious of the importance of the envioroment ( and seals are a part of that envioroment ) there would not be so many problems. I know it has to be interference with the nature because we are a PART of that nature, and we live (lived) in the nature, so there will be always interference with the nature. But there are a lot of types of interference with nature, u can interfer(sp??) with nature witout creating demages, nature will change, that´s life, but u can interfer with nature witout destroying it

[Lamer Than Lame]

Humans have always interfered with nature. Animals are killed as food and trees are torn down to build shelter. This is how we have managed to survive--you know, survival of the fittest and all that jazz?

As for Johno's overpopulation comment, read up on Australia and their rabbit problem..

And here's a little lesson on an area of Canada that hunts seals (the North): Do some research on the Inuit. They lived as nomadic tribes who hunted lots of animals for food, seals included. This is how they survived. Now, many Inuit live in little towns and have since forsaken that way of life, but as Punky said earlier, there isn't much to do up there in terms of 'money making'. The Northern Territories are pretty much isolated from the rest of Canada. You don't see these 'big box' stores from the States (like Wal Mart) invading Nunavut. A lot of the time, it's the art industry that brings in some moolah for families--and we all know how much the arts bring in the dough. Uh, they don't bring a whole lot.

A lot of animals are protected in Canada and, as such, there are certain days when hunters are allowed to hunt them. This includes the seals. They aren't killed all the freakin' time. The same thing happens with this whale hunt that some Native tribes take part in once a year (which also gets animal rights activists harping, but that's a different topic). So, um, yeah...that's all I wanted to say for now.

[Huy]

I agree that humans should interfere to keep nature in balance, and that we could kill animals, including seals, for food. But in this case, it's all wrong. They're not killing the seals to eat them (how could there be any meats on three months old seals??), but they're killing for the fur, and in my opinion, that's just evil, and therefore it should be stopped. (Wild animals might attack and kill humans, but only in selfdefence or for food, never to rip of your skin, hang it to dry, and wear it).

Yeah, humans are evil, and nothing can stop us, cuz we got the brainpower and the technology. But don't worry you guys, we WILL eventually destroy ourself totally, and then nature could be left alone.

[Snagg3r]

I say we kill all the animals here. Move to another planet and then start off fresh.